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Indiana State Large School Finals 2010

Event Info

March 20th, 2010

Venue Info

Lawrence Central High School
7300 East 56th Street
Indianapolis, IN 46226

Phone: (317) 543-3641

Event Details

Number of Attending Choirs:

7 Mixed Groups
5 Treble Groups

Event Hosts:

ISSMA

Event Judges:

Unknown

Tickets

One Session:
$11 - Students
$13 - Adults

All Day:
$18 - Students
$20 - Adults

Map

Indiana State Large School Finals 2010


	Awards	Predictions	Photos	Event Site	Live Stream

Mixed Division

Groups

Counterpoints
North Central High School

Grand Champion
Best Visuals

Premiers
Ben Davis High School

First Runner Up
Best Vocals

Minstrel Magic
Carroll High School

Second Runner Up

F.C. Singers
Franklin Central High School

3rd Runner Up

Varsity Singers
Huntington North High School

4th Runner Up

Charisma
Northrop High School

5th Runner Up

Knight Sensations
Castle High School

6th Runner Up

Treble Division

Groups

Descants
North Central High School

First Place
Best Vocals
Best Band

Sounds
Ben Davis High School

Second Place

High Voltage
Franklin Central High School

Third Place
Best Visuals

Knightingales
Castle High School

4th Place

Select Sound
Carroll High School

5th Place

Attending Members

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dandn5000 • on Jun 7, 2010, 9:45 AM

Post #148

Yah but who would give up all those students and that talent pool at NC? lol

I know, right? I sure wouldn't.

I'd stay just for the facilities...I remember when the East Noble Thespians/show choirs went down to North Central to see Aida in Fall 2008, we were in awe enough to see the auditorium. The show was just a bonus.

juliofrommississippi • on Jun 7, 2010, 8:11 AM

Post #147

A lot of it is high-quality directors...I would bet a lot of money to say that either Shelley or Pat could go somewhere else, and given a few years, could create another high-quality program where previously none existed.

Yah but who would give up all those students and that talent pool at NC? lol

iubl13 • on Jun 5, 2010, 11:42 PM

Post #146

true statement

dandn5000 • on Jun 3, 2010, 8:55 PM

Post #145

The Indiana Department of Education site lists DeKalb as having 1269 students, and East Noble as having 1203, both in the 2008-2009 school year.

To be honest, I don't think it really matters...there are many schools larger than both DeKalb and East Noble that are far worse, and schools with far fewer students(I'm looking at you, Churubusco

) that have very good choirs.

A lot of it is high-quality directors...I would bet a lot of money to say that either Shelley or Pat could go somewhere else, and given a few years, could create another high-quality program where previously none existed.

iubl13 • on Jun 3, 2010, 5:29 PM

Post #144

i'm not taking any side, but i'm just throwing it out there that this website states that East Noble has 1,205 students while DeKalb has 1,156.

paigeypoo8278 • on May 29, 2010, 3:15 PM

Post #143

I believe DeKalb is the same size as East Noble are they not?

no. they are larger by about 300 ish

juliofrommississippi • on Mar 29, 2010, 8:08 PM

Post #142

I 100% LOVE Huntington North's show. Thanks to Varsity Singers for touching my heart and my life with your performance on Saturday.

iubl13 • on Mar 28, 2010, 5:07 PM

Post #141

lets not forget that state has only been around since 2005, and directors like Pat Wiehe and Shelley Johnson have been leading their groups to grand championships for more than 20 years...an accomplishment that is to be commended!

doesntmatter1290 • on Mar 27, 2010, 11:40 AM

Post #139

Ok. The last time that I checked, ISSMA board consists of quite a few music educators that compete out on the show choir circuit. To suggest that a couple of directors are getting "special privileges" because they belong on the board is OFFENSIVE!
Have you checked the history/traditions that each director/groups carry? it's EXTENSIVE! AWARD WINNING! And all of that comes from being great educators and KNOWING to surround themselves with a great staff and support system and having dedicated students! EARNED TITLES! THAT'S RIGHT! EARNED TITLES! With lot's of "BLOOD , SWEAT, AND TEARS!" And a COMPLETE understanding on how to play the show choir game! NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS! It's ok to have a fav group or show! But , to DOWNGRADE a directors/groups achievements and a ABILITY to produce QUALITY work year after year is APPALLING!
Each director has given well over 30yrs of their life to music education. These directors should be CONGRATULATED !
You can hire the best costumer, choreographer,arranger but, if the director does not know how to produce a show or know how to coach and motivate-they'll forever have just an average choir!
You can be a fabulous singer and not being able to teach vocals. You can be an exquisite dancer but, that does not mean that you can be a choreographer! If you look back into show choir history, you'll notice , with a few exceptions..., the groups that were on top in the 70's,80's,90's,remain today! And that isn't by accident!

Amen Woody. And let's not forget that everyone on the ISSMA board is there because they earned it. All the directors on the board were qualified and very good before getting on the board. They're on the board because they won, not the other way around.

dandn5000 • on Mar 27, 2010, 10:05 AM

Post #138

That's illegal in Iowa.
...and it's not in Indiana.

As I recall from the discussion that happened a few weeks ago when this was brought up, this is a rule in Iowa because in Iowa women's groups are usually considered prep groups, while in Indiana they are usually considered championship groups on the same level as the main mixed choir. Therefore, in Iowa its bringing members from varsity into prep and making an unfair advantage, while in Indiana it's using the talent you have. God only knows the talent we would lose from both of our groups if the six or seven girls that are in both next year had to pick one or the other.

juliofrommississippi • on Mar 27, 2010, 3:17 AM

Post #137

Finally, congratulations to my friend Tess H., the lone crossover between Counterpoints and Descants, and the only NC singer to have won TWO GCs at Large School Finals last weekend!

That's illegal in Iowa.

onereason • on Mar 26, 2010, 2:37 PM

Post #136

Mr. Holland's "opus" (God, I love that he wrote a long post!) is very well taken. In interest of disclosure - but not to suggest any unfairness - he is the choreographer for North Central and other groups.

However, in the further interest of both accuracy and fairness, NC choral director Ms. Wiehe is NOT listed on the ISSMA board this year. She is assigned to a committee position (Concert Organization), but not the Show Choir Committee. Ms. Johnson is on the Show Choir committee, but so is Hersel Cremeans, who had the unenviable task of disqualifying North Central on a contest rule earlier this season.

And though four of the five persons on the Show Choir Committee are associated with groups that competed at State Finals, that is hardly unusual. Were the politics of show choir as rampant as often suggested, it might only raise an eyebrow that Dan Hile's Churubusco group did NOT compete at finals this year. Mr. Hile obviously does not yet know how to play the game (and anyone who takes that comment as anything other than a weak attempt at a joke...)

Finally, congratulations to my friend Tess H., the lone crossover between Counterpoints and Descants, and the only NC singer to have won TWO GCs at Large School Finals last weekend!

Rian • on Mar 25, 2010, 11:37 AM

Post #135

Ok. The last time that I checked, ISSMA board consists of quite a few music educators that compete out on the show choir circuit. To suggest that a couple of directors are getting "special privileges" because they belong on the board is OFFENSIVE!
Have you checked the history/traditions that each director/groups carry? it's EXTENSIVE! AWARD WINNING! And all of that comes from being great educators and KNOWING to surround themselves with a great staff and support system and having dedicated students! EARNED TITLES! THAT'S RIGHT! EARNED TITLES! With lot's of "BLOOD , SWEAT, AND TEARS!" And a COMPLETE understanding on how to play the show choir game! NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS! It's ok to have a fav group or show! But , to DOWNGRADE a directors/groups achievements and a ABILITY to produce QUALITY work year after year is APPALLING!
Each director has given well over 30yrs of their life to music education. These directors should be CONGRATULATED !
You can hire the best costumer, choreographer,arranger but, if the director does not know how to produce a show or know how to coach and motivate-they'll forever have just an average choir!
You can be a fabulous singer and not being able to teach vocals. You can be an exquisite dancer but, that does not mean that you can be a choreographer! If you look back into show choir history, you'll notice , with a few exceptions..., the groups that were on top in the 70's,80's,90's,remain today! And that isn't by accident!

You hit the nail right on the head Woody, thanks for that.

shwchr84 • on Mar 25, 2010, 7:42 AM

Post #134

iubl13 • on Mar 25, 2010, 1:12 AM

Post #133

Well said Woody! We should be talking about how to fix this system for the future, to attract more groups, instead of downgrading groups and directors that have beaten us in the past. Is the system perfect? No... But, I can appreciate that ISSMA is trying new things every year to try and make it better. And, I commend the state committee for their work in establishing a 2 class system so that many more groups can have a chance to compete against schools their size, and also to attract schools to this activity!

coco • on Mar 25, 2010, 12:43 AM (Edited)

Post #132

"Sounds like Mr HJA has an issue with "good ole NC" winning state AGAIN, but since you were not there and you asked for comments from someone who was (and saw allh performances) I'll share:"

I'm not saying it's true, but a lot of people have a problem with the fact that Pat Wiehe is on the board, along with Shelley Johnson from dekalb, and no matter what kind of year those groups are having, they win state. Oh, Except when Carmel showed that they are actually the best in the midwest by beating one of NC's best shows, without any trouble. Johnson is pretty much the reason there are 2 classes now, and considering Dekalb used to compete VERY well as a Large Mixed group, placing above groups like FC, MTZ, Ben Davis, Huntington North, Lawrence Central, Sullivan, Sauk Prairie and the like, it seems as though getting 2nd, 3rd, and the occasional GC wasn't enough. Dekalb clenched a state title for the next 5 years bc of their new home in Class B. I would think a group that hasn't missed a finals since 1997 would fight for the chance to compete with the big boys at state, not just take GC every year as a "small group" when Dekalb is far from it...
Ok. The last time that I checked, ISSMA board consists of quite a few music educators that compete out on the show choir circuit. To suggest that a couple of directors are getting "special privileges" because they belong on the board is OFFENSIVE!
Have you checked the history/traditions that each director/groups carry? it's EXTENSIVE! AWARD WINNING! And all of that comes from being great educators and KNOWING to surround themselves with a great staff and support system and having dedicated students! EARNED TITLES! THAT'S RIGHT! EARNED TITLES! With lot's of "BLOOD , SWEAT, AND TEARS!" And a COMPLETE understanding on how to play the show choir game! NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS! It's ok to have a fav group or show! But , to DOWNGRADE a directors/groups achievements and a ABILITY to produce QUALITY work year after year is APPALLING!
Each director has given well over 30yrs of their life to music education. These directors should be CONGRATULATED !
You can hire the best costumer, choreographer,arranger but, if the director does not know how to produce a show or know how to coach and motivate-they'll forever have just an average choir!
You can be a fabulous singer and not being able to teach vocals. You can be an exquisite dancer but, that does not mean that you can be a choreographer! If you look back into show choir history, you'll notice , with a few exceptions..., the groups that were on top in the 70's,80's,90's,remain today! And that isn't by accident!

Mr.HJA • on Mar 24, 2010, 10:07 PM

Post #131

iubl13 • on Mar 24, 2010, 9:23 PM

Post #130

i mean edgewood has never gone to state, but we often compete with much groups from much larger schools, and we would fall in class b...

iubl13 • on Mar 24, 2010, 9:16 PM

Post #129

I know, right?

I can appreciate the new classes, because it allows a lot of smaller groups that are good but that aren't competitive with the Indy schools to compete in finals with groups that are similar to them. I still wish that the classes didn't exist, but it isn't a huge problem with me. But DeKalb should not, should NOT, be in with small school ANYTHING. Luers and Plainfield were competitive with them this year, but it seems even with real competition that judges just like DeKalb's style of show, which is fine, whatever, they're still an awesome choir and they're still really good at it, but for the foreseeable future I see it being DeKalb winning and everybody else fighting for second-ninth, and I feel that such results are NOT acceptable. DeKalb can and has gotten in the top three groups in the state, before classes, back when there were more groups that came to state. I would think they would feel inclined to fight for the same and even better results, rather than just winning over the small half of the state. There's much more honor in the former, IMHO.

I believe DeKalb is the same size as East Noble are they not?

dandn5000 • on Mar 24, 2010, 8:52 PM

Post #128

"Sounds like Mr HJA has an issue with "good ole NC" winning state AGAIN, but since you were not there and you asked for comments from someone who was (and saw allh performances) I'll share:"

I'm not saying it's true, but a lot of people have a problem with the fact that Pat Wiehe is on the board, along with Shelley Johnson from dekalb, and no matter what kind of year those groups are having, they win state. Oh, Except when Carmel showed that they are actually the best in the midwest by beating one of NC's best shows, without any trouble. Johnson is pretty much the reason there are 2 classes now, and considering Dekalb used to compete VERY well as a Large Mixed group, placing above groups like FC, MTZ, Ben Davis, Huntington North, Lawrence Central, Sullivan, Sauk Prairie and the like, it seems as though getting 2nd, 3rd, and the occasional GC wasn't enough. Dekalb clenched a state title for the next 5 years bc of their new home in Class B. I would think a group that hasn't missed a finals since 1997 would fight for the chance to compete with the big boys at state, not just take GC every year as a "small group" when Dekalb is far from it...

I know, right?

I can appreciate the new classes, because it allows a lot of smaller groups that are good but that aren't competitive with the Indy schools to compete in finals with groups that are similar to them. I still wish that the classes didn't exist, but it isn't a huge problem with me. But DeKalb should not, should NOT, be in with small school ANYTHING. Luers and Plainfield were competitive with them this year, but it seems even with real competition that judges just like DeKalb's style of show, which is fine, whatever, they're still an awesome choir and they're still really good at it, but for the foreseeable future I see it being DeKalb winning and everybody else fighting for second-ninth, and I feel that such results are NOT acceptable. DeKalb can and has gotten in the top three groups in the state, before classes, back when there were more groups that came to state. I would think they would feel inclined to fight for the same and even better results, rather than just winning over the small half of the state. There's much more honor in the former, IMHO.

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