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 Show Choir Community    Events    2016 Season    Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2016
Event Info

March 11th-12th, 2016
Venue Info
Wheaton Warrenville South High School
1993 Tiger Trl
Wheaton, IL 60189
Phone: (630) 784-7200
Event Details
Number of Attending Choirs:
12 Mixed Groups
6 Treble Groups
7 Middle School Groups
Event Hosts:
Wheaton Warrenville South "The Classics"
Wheaton Warrenville South "Esprit"
Event Judges:
Chad Alexander
Michael Engelhardt
Heath Gemar
Scott Hines
Susan Moninger
Ly Wilder (Solo Competition)
Tickets
Saturday Competition All Access Pass: $20
Saturday Senior Citizens and Students with ID: $15
Children under 5 admitted free
Map
Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2016





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Middle School Division
Groups    

Center Stage
Arlington Heights Middle School
 First Place
Best Vocals
Best Choreography

Shine!
St. Michael Parish School
 Second Place
Best Female Soloist (Faydean Kielty)

Bryan Beat
Bryan Middle School
 Third Place
Best Male Soloist (Sam Sohmer)

9th Street Connection
Lincoln Middle School
 4th Place

Girl Treble
Hinsdale Middle School
 No Placement

Encore
Hinsdale Middle School
 No Placement

Expressions
Hubble Middle School
 No Placement

Finals
Groups    

Sound Check
Waubonsie Valley High School
 Grand Champion
Best Vocals
Best Choreography

Powerhouse
John Burroughs High School
 First Runner Up
Best Female Soloist (Faydean Kielty)

Entourage
Naperville North High School
 Second Runner Up
Best Band

Ambassadors
Carmel High School
 3rd Runner Up

Flight
Wheaton North High School
 4th Runner Up
Best Male Soloist (Sam Sohmer)

Riverside Company
Hastings High School
 5th Runner Up

Mixed Division (Prelims) Show
Treble Division
Groups    

Sound Sensations
John Burroughs High School
 First Place
Best Vocals
Best Choreography

Girls in Heels
Waubonsie Valley High School
 Second Place

High Heeled Harmony
Naperville North High School
 Third Place

Faces
Crete-Monee High School
 No Placement

Leading Ladies
Rolling Meadows High School
 No Placement

Ladies First
John Hersey High School
 No Placement

Attending Members displaying 6 of 87 members (view all)
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Foghorn • on Mar 27, 2016, 4:50 PM
Post #461
+2
Scott Hines did the same scoring a week later at Los Al. He just doesn't like West Coast style of show choir, based on his scoring.

I don't think that's necessarily evidence that Scott Hines doesn't care for West Coast style show choir (unless of course he's physically said this to you) - he scored everyone the same as Michael Orland at Los Al and was actually a lot closer in point totals than Michael.



kalcoh • on Mar 27, 2016, 3:11 AM (Edited)
Post #460
 
Scott Hines did the same scoring a week later at Los Al. He just doesn't like West Coast style of show choir, based on his scoring.



alexgib05 • on Mar 25, 2016, 2:02 PM
Post #459
+1

Very confused about this as well. I'm thinking the tie was broken by taking the choreo scores from prelims but still the tie breaker should've been announced.
I only received total scores for the individual categories, not ranks, so perhaps the tie was broken by how many judges had Waubonsie in first in visuals compared to Carmel?? I've seen that be the tie breaker a couple of times over the years for captions, just a thought though.



jdcritt • on Mar 25, 2016, 2:01 PM
Post #458
 
The tie breaker also could've been the consensus rankings in choreography. Not saying it's fact, though.



abe.martinez • on Mar 25, 2016, 9:19 AM
Post #457
+5
I'm confused why the Best Choreo tie wasn't announced...

Very confused about this as well. I'm thinking the tie was broken by taking the choreo scores from prelims but still the tie breaker should've been announced.



36kap36 • on Mar 25, 2016, 7:33 AM
Post #456
+4

Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?

Well, when you're being so matter-of-fact and sure of yourself, it comes off much less as an opinion, and much more as an attempted statement of fact.



reevesps73 • on Mar 25, 2016, 6:41 AM
Post #455
+3
I'm confused why the Best Choreo tie wasn't announced...



alexgib05 • on Mar 24, 2016, 8:54 PM
Post #454
+6
Seeing Burroughs finals performance live I honestly have NO IDEA how a judge could have had them in 4th.......
Going off of this, seeing Burroughs' prelims performance live, I couldn't see how a judge could've had them in first in the day round



watchaa • on Mar 24, 2016, 7:28 PM
Post #453
+3
Seeing Burroughs finals performance live I honestly have NO IDEA how a judge could have had them in 4th.......

D

DJNYORK • on Mar 24, 2016, 7:20 PM
Post #452
+5
Consensus is the same as Olympic ordinals. It just takes away point or rank swings so judges can judge how they see and hear it without worrying that they are changing the outcome of the competition by themselves and directors understand no one judge can swing the competition by themselves. Hopefully it leads to talk about the elements that lead to better shows and not about individuals.



Patrick • on Mar 24, 2016, 4:35 PM
Post #451
+4

Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?

Mike Wazowski!



JWill • on Mar 24, 2016, 3:09 PM
Post #450
 

And that is your opinion!

Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?



Get_Ready0203 • on Mar 24, 2016, 2:09 PM
Post #449
+1

The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal. Some dislike it because it is harder to understand and apply, but it is the fairest system.

Not sure I'd agree it is the fairest system. It has it's pros and cons as does every system. I like that it does make everything equal and does simplify it (even though some do think it is harder to understand and apply). At the same time the score sheets and points would show that one group is better in every category, then that group should be rewarded as so regardless of what the judges think about the show itself.

Although I also understand that if you just take raw scores you could have a group that the judges may all agree is the second best group, but by fluctuations in scores that group could end up winning the competition.

I don't think there is a "fairest system", just different ways to look at it. No matter what each system will have its flaws. Like Brock stated, as long as the competition spells out exactly what system they are using and how it works then it is fine.



36kap36 • on Mar 24, 2016, 2:06 PM
Post #448
+7

Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal.

And that is your opinion!



JWill • on Mar 24, 2016, 1:51 PM
Post #447
 
I don't think I'm quite understanding how the Fehr Fair system works.

The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal. Some dislike it because it is harder to understand and apply, but it is the fairest system.



JWill • on Mar 24, 2016, 1:46 PM
Post #446
 

Something doesn't seem right here...

The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Therefore the results are correct. the Rankings in the individual categories are for captions.



jdcritt • on Mar 24, 2016, 1:19 PM
Post #445
 
I don't think I'm quite understanding how the Fehr Fair system works.



derien • on Mar 24, 2016, 12:44 PM
Post #444
 
I think the most important thing is that competition to be transparent about which system(s) they are using and WWS absolutely was.

Exactly. The rules are clear and everyone attending knew them. I don't think that it's fair to say that the raw rankings are the "real results", because it discounts all of the hard work that so many people put into their sets (like NN).

In the end, show choir is about sharing music with people, and WWS was an incredible opportunity for so many talented schools to do so. I am super proud of how my group performed and all the other groups too; it was some of the best show choir I will probably ever see.

B

bmkmusic • on Mar 24, 2016, 11:48 AM
Post #443
+6
I've never been a huge fan of ranking systems myself - and we've had them work in our favor (WWS) and not in our favor (Danville, where we had the 2nd highest score, but got 3rd in ranks) this year alone.

I think every system has its flaws. I think the most important thing is that competition to be transparent about which system(s) they are using and WWS absolutely was. There were 8 pages in the director's handbook about which systems were being used in which rounds and an extremely detailed outline of how this consensus ranking system works.



Get_Ready0203 • on Mar 24, 2016, 11:21 AM
Post #442
+2

Something doesn't seem right here...

It's the Fehr Fair system. It goes by consensus of which group got the most votes to be in a certain position. Using that Naperville got the most 3rd place votes, so they are the 3rd place group. I technically understand the logic, but not sure if I agree with it. I don't really like the ranking system in general and am I big proponent of just raw scores... but that is a different discussion for a different day.


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