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But the thing is "juliofrommississippi". We do clean chro. and vocals and STILL have an elaborate set and STILL win. It's easy for someone who has no set at all, or a very simple or small one with 20 people on your crew to get stuff done. But when you have girls lifting 100lbs + in dressed and big hoop skirts it does put a little stress on you. If you havent seen our set from this year you will know exactly what Im talking about, but until then, understand that I dont know of another choir who can set our set up, or anything as big as we had this year, do a show, break down, under 25 mins, and be penalty free. I've noticed people knock on other people stuff without knowing what they are talking about. Im not in any way saying we are better or stronger or anything like that, but I know it is a VERY large task at hand to do what we do and still get GC or 1ru. I myself thought the set was huge and maybe a little big, but hey, Idk of a judge who didnt like it. Our director is great friend of mine, and I've known him for almost 10 years. Besides..nothing wrong with pushing kids to the limit.
I never said that wasn't hard to do. And I did see your set so I know how big it is. I'm just saying I think it's an excuse. If you can't do it in the time limits then don't have a HUMONGOUS set as part of your show. There are so many VERY successful show choirs who don't use a backdrop or a set. So if you get penalties and it's too difficult to do it in the allotted time, then DON'T.
I believe it was Mundelein "Sound"
you're right. It was Mundelein "Sound". IDK if their show is on YouTube, but there is a performance from earlier in the season at Milton's competition. www.redhawkmedia.com
Click on the Video on Demand link and it should say Milton Choralation Invitational 2010 or something like that.
Just wanted to ask, which choir was it that did the aladdin themed numbers with the elephant and all? I thought it was the most entertaining show of the day and would really like to see it again on youtube or in some other way.
Just wanted to ask, which choir was it that did the aladdin themed numbers with the elephant and all? I thought it was the most entertaining show of the day and would really like to see it again on youtube or in some other way.
another reason the parents don't set up for us, our set is very specific in the way it has to come onstage and be but together. It has a very specific order.
also very dangerous lmao :D lol
another reason the parents don't set up for us, our set is very specific in the way it has to come onstage and be but together. It has a very specific order.
I would like to say that I adored Albertville's set, and their hard work setting it up/taking it down in that period of time. Especially since you guys do it all yourself, without parents helping too much. I dont think there was a best crew caption award, but your whole group deserves to share the imaginary award I am giving you! (Even the "rich" people who can only stand by!) I felt it really added a different feel to your show. You cant do that kind of musical theatre without some kind of set! (Referring to first half.) And In the end number, with the drums... It was just awesome. I really appreciated your work and your show!
Rant time...
I cant stand when I see a group standing on the sides, with parents back there setting up whatever they have. (even just stairs.) I cant even stand when parents in my crew try to set things up on stage. I feel like once we step on to the stage, it is the crew's responsibility to take care of props/set/ext. The singerdancers should be setting their costumes and any personal props, but in the case that a set is large and more help is needed, the singerdancers should be helping. NOT parents.
I also cant stand when I see parents setting up a set in the crew gym. It's like... where are the students, and why aren't they helping? No offense to any crew dads- good work to you, I love you guys!
Dear crew dads, us hardcore crew kids love talking to you guys about your sets/how they were built/ext. Thanks for dealing with our annoying questions. (Well, mine.. especially to the group that does the facebook song... FAVORITE CREW DADS EVER!)
I'm sorry. How does having a backdrop add to the difficulty of the performance/show? In my opinion it is one very easy way to have things go wrong. You spend all this time working on your technical issues instead of focusing on cleaning and working on vocals.
But the thing is "juliofrommississippi". We do clean chro. and vocals and STILL have an elaborate set and STILL win. It's easy for someone who has no set at all, or a very simple or small one with 20 people on your crew to get stuff done. But when you have girls lifting 100lbs + in dressed and big hoop skirts it does put a little stress on you. If you havent seen our set from this year you will know exactly what Im talking about, but until then, understand that I dont know of another choir who can set our set up, or anything as big as we had this year, do a show, break down, under 25 mins, and be penalty free. I've noticed people knock on other people stuff without knowing what they are talking about. Im not in any way saying we are better or stronger or anything like that, but I know it is a VERY large task at hand to do what we do and still get GC or 1ru. I myself thought the set was huge and maybe a little big, but hey, Idk of a judge who didnt like it. Our director is great friend of mine, and I've known him for almost 10 years. Besides..nothing wrong with pushing kids to the limit.
See! I have to view the set up without any way of helping. I hate that feeling lol
It would look wierd tho for people ou tthere lifting 900 pound set panels in hoop skirts... I can see the point.
The main problem we encountered this year was the actual number of people setting up the stage. The "rich" people in the show couldn't set anything up bc of our costumes and overall image. Therefore, some of the poor people/"freaks" had to do multiple jobs. Instead of having 2 people in charge of one piece like previous years, there were 2 people in charge of each large panel, rolling thing, AND a sidewalk. They had to set one in place and return for the others. I was one of the helpless rich people who couldn't even carry a small ladder or box. I think that also added a harder element to our set up. Just my opinion.
And yes, the only places we had dads helping was here, at the foot of the steps, and at Belmont bc they didn't even have steps for the same foot drop. That's who replaced the "rich" people in my opinion. This is where we needed extra hands, but some performers were unavailable.
I didn't even think about the rich people... hmm. good point Shelby
Fact: I never said talent wasn't important. Fact: I never said extravagant costuming was expected. Fact: I never said I "care" that much about costumes to begin with.
Your strawman arguments aren't going to work. I made an innocuous observation about what I thought was an unusual and poor choice for costuming during a particular part of a particular show on a forum meant for discussing opinions. Part of discussing a show involves elements such as a backdrop, costuming, song choice and so on.
Please think twice before you make absurd assumptions about someone you don't know just because you disagree with their opinion.
Fact: I never said you didnt think talent was important. Fact: I never said anything about costumes having to be extravagant nor did i make a reference to you thinking that. Fact: Since you only had one thing to say about our show and it was about costumes you obviously "care" about costumes.
I also was expressing MY OPINION on your comment.
And where are these "absurd assumptions" you speak of?
The main problem we encountered this year was the actual number of people setting up the stage. The "rich" people in the show couldn't set anything up bc of our costumes and overall image. Therefore, some of the poor people/"freaks" had to do multiple jobs. Instead of having 2 people in charge of one piece like previous years, there were 2 people in charge of each large panel, rolling thing, AND a sidewalk. They had to set one in place and return for the others. I was one of the helpless rich people who couldn't even carry a small ladder or box. I think that also added a harder element to our set up. Just my opinion.
And yes, the only places we had dads helping was here, at the foot of the steps, and at Belmont bc they didn't even have steps for the same foot drop. That's who replaced the "rich" people in my opinion. This is where we needed extra hands, but some performers were unavailable.
what is the percentage of actual singer/dancers who set up the backdrops? I guess I just tend to see stagehands, parents and crew do it. so in that situation it doesn't add to the difficulty.
and that adds another question. in the case that a backdrop which will affect scoring is used should the crew be all students of the high school? i know this isn't always true in indiana, but in iowa there is only one non-high schooler allowed in the band (which is scored) any more than that one director and the band is DQ'd. Should it be the same for the crew? If I have twenty 40-year old men setting up my backdrop that is for sure not adding to the difficulty of the show as the performers aren't even using it. and that entire part of the show is not even executed by high schoolers. idk if y'all even understand what i'm saying, but it kinda makes sense in my brain lol. it just seems unfair to me if the crew really is doing that much to impact the show, and then they are all adults.
our backdrop is 100% set up by students and 95% set up by performers. The dads that help us are there to help us go up stairs (as in the case at WWS) or get props up to the stage at Belmont (4 foot drop getting on and off stage.
why does waubonsie valley have lime green suits. or why does albertville have zebra and tiger print suits for their closing outfits? why do we care about costumes at all? it should be about talent on the stage. and keep in mind not all schools and programs have the money to buy extravagant costumes. and dont think im bashing waubonsie or albertville at all for their costumes. i love both of their shows. they are awesome.
Fact: I never said talent wasn't important. Fact: I never said extravagant costuming was expected. Fact: I never said I "care" that much about costumes to begin with.
Your strawman arguments aren't going to work. I made an innocuous observation about what I thought was an unusual and poor choice for costuming during a particular part of a particular show on a forum meant for discussing opinions. Part of discussing a show involves elements such as a backdrop, costuming, song choice and so on.
Please think twice before you make absurd assumptions about someone you don't know just because you disagree with their opinion.
what is the percentage of actual singer/dancers who set up the backdrops? I guess I just tend to see stagehands, parents and crew do it. so in that situation it doesn't add to the difficulty.
and that adds another question. in the case that a backdrop which will affect scoring is used should the crew be all students of the high school? i know this isn't always true in indiana, but in iowa there is only one non-high schooler allowed in the band (which is scored) any more than that one director and the band is DQ'd. Should it be the same for the crew? If I have twenty 40-year old men setting up my backdrop that is for sure not adding to the difficulty of the show as the performers aren't even using it. and that entire part of the show is not even executed by high schoolers. idk if y'all even understand what i'm saying, but it kinda makes sense in my brain lol. it just seems unfair to me if the crew really is doing that much to impact the show, and then they are all adults.
in my opinion the students/ stage crew should be doing the backdrops, and it shouldn't be parents or dads as i have seen in many groups. that is strictly just my opinion!
i'm not sure if its the same style jackets but i believe the ones we have are left over from another year back in recent encores history.
and as for Cry Me a River, gotta love Mrs. Linda! Its my favorite too. haha. speaking of Mrs. Linda, i loved EEE's "Black Velvet" too. i cant stop singing it now. haha.
I definitely agree with this.
But I have to ask, because I could have sworn they were similar - are they Clinton's jackets from last year's closer or do they just look very alike? Whatever it was, I think it looked fine. haha.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I loved Cry Me a River. Pretty awesome.
i'm not sure if its the same style jackets but i believe the ones we have are left over from another year back in recent encores history.
and as for Cry Me a River, gotta love Mrs. Linda! Its my favorite too. haha. speaking of Mrs. Linda, i loved EEE's "Black Velvet" too. i cant stop singing it now. haha.
what is the percentage of actual singer/dancers who set up the backdrops? I guess I just tend to see stagehands, parents and crew do it. so in that situation it doesn't add to the difficulty.
and that adds another question. in the case that a backdrop which will affect scoring is used should the crew be all students of the high school? i know this isn't always true in indiana, but in iowa there is only one non-high schooler allowed in the band (which is scored) any more than that one director and the band is DQ'd. Should it be the same for the crew? If I have twenty 40-year old men setting up my backdrop that is for sure not adding to the difficulty of the show as the performers aren't even using it. and that entire part of the show is not even executed by high schoolers. idk if y'all even understand what i'm saying, but it kinda makes sense in my brain lol. it just seems unfair to me if the crew really is doing that much to impact the show, and then they are all adults.
As for Albertville "CenterStage!", we have 6-7 tech/crew (ALL students) who do the fine tuning of the backdrop, such as hooking up the smoke pipe, putting screws in, etc...The majority of the actual "building" of our set is done by performers (i.e., singer/dancers). Our set includes 5 rolling "things", 5 panels that sit on the rolling "things", 5 sidewalks that attach to the "rolling things", 2 giant "king drums", and our smoke machine. We also have 4 rolling uniform racks, 2 for each side of the stage. That makes up the major parts of our stage we have to take onstage. ALL of this, once it hits the stage, is taken to position by STUDENTS. We have several dads who help out, but only by assisting us getting it onto the stage, or up the steps like at WWS. The actual "set-up" is, as I stated previously, is done by the performers. That is one reason that during the rehearsals "CenterStage!" had prior to departing for Chicago last Thursday (which was practice Monday night, Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon), we did not JUST practice setting up and taking down the set. We started the watch, set up, performed our show, and took down. Obviously, for a school that has a permanent stage and auditorium (like Albertville), there is NO WAY to completely prepare for the way the stage was at WWS. But of course, this can be said for ANY competition, especially if a school has never competed at that particular competition. During our practices, as I stated, we practiced the full embodiment of performing at a competition, including set up and take down. As one of my fellow "CenterStage!" persons stated earlier, during our rehearsals, we did not go over time. BUT, as I stated, it just wasn't possible to completely prepare ourselves for the way the stage was at WWS.
If a group chooses to add a complicated factor to their show, why not encourage them? Isn't that what show choir is all about? My father and I have this argument all the time, about why can't there be a specific set of rules that apply to ALL competitions? My answer to that is this: If all competitions were the same, wouldn't it get a little bit monotonous (spelling?) and boring going to the exact same thing every weekend, for 10 weeks straight? It adds a little bit of extra challenge to a choir, when rules, set ups, etc... are different at every competition you attend. If this is true, then why can't the same be said for a show design? It would just get kinda boring if EVERYONE had NO costume changes, no backdrop, and did the same 5 song show design.
I personally, as a 4 year "CenterStage!" member and senior, have sincerely enjoyed this year. I have loved every minute of it, from the planning that began back in spring '09, to the end of my competitive show choir "career" this past Saturday night. Yes, our backdrop has been a pain, and yes, it has gotten us points deducted. BUT, I love the direction "CenterStage!" is going, and I wouldn't trade it for anything!
All of these comments and opinions are mine, and mine alone, and in NO WAY reflect the opinions of Albertville "CenterStage!" as a whole.
Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2010
