The bottom line is...it's just show choir. I guess it is easier for me to say this because I have been an alumni for a few years. But, while it is a wonderful feeling to receive a grand champion award, at the end of the day the simple goal is to entertain. If every group gave their heart and soul to their performance, and left the audience in applause and entertainment, then they did their job. I know I was extremely impressed with all of the groups - so much hard work goes into every show. I had my personal favorites and opinions, but it's not worth crying out over. And of course there are going to be a few people upset with the results, but at the end of the day life goes on.
I'll wait to post more of my thoughts of the groups at a later time.
VERY well said. I'm a current performer, and sure- it's nice to win, but when you're walking around after a fierce performance and you hear people singing your songs, or talking about aspects of your show they liked... that's worth more than any trophy.
I sooo wish I could have watched this live feed! Is there somewhere where I can watch the performances from last night?
I wasn't there and havent seen either group, that said, it's a widely known fact that Mr Fher manipulated the panel at fame Chicago two years ago and still lost. Similarly he manipulated the panel in California last year, and still lost. This year he manipulated the panel at Fairfield and won, so congratulations Mr Fher on finally getting that "win". Hopefully it feels as good as if you had won it honestly.
I don't think so...
Horrible accusation from someone who hasn't even claimed a show choir on here.
We applaud Clinton for being very classy, and we Californians are quite proud of John Burroughs high school!
People get a tad vicious on here. and i thought that the whole competition was amazing and some shows surpassed what people would think of them and other shows just didnt quite live up to thier hype. overall the shows were amzing though. im just disapointed we didnt make fianls...from piqua
No matter what is said, Congrats Attache, Flawless as usual! Don't let all these negative comments keep you from enjoying your victory. You guys are known for your ammmazzzzzing choreography, and amazing vocals. Your group is my all-time favorite group, and there is not ONE year that goes by that you don't amaze me. No matter what is going to be said...Burroughs and Clinton are COMPLETELY diffferent show choirs. Attache-In-Sync Choreography, Very Classy,Nothing Stupid and freaky and Gorgeous Vocals. Burroughs-Very Theatrical, Loud Vocals, Very Chic and Unique. But nonetheless, it was a overall hard competition, and I had my money on Attache since December. I may be biased, but Clinton Attache is the true definition of show choir, and I hate that so many bitter people are making such crude comments about your victory. It is a completely different world of show choir between the East Coast, and the West Coast...Again I say congrats, and I cannot wait to get my finals dvd.
I think the term that people are actually looking for in describing Burroughs is 'avant-garde'. It is not possible to be too artistic, though it is certainly possible to be too avant-garde.
I think the term that people are actually looking for in describing Burroughs is 'avant-garde'. It is not possible to be too artistic, though it is certainly possible to be too avant-garde.
I never said Burroughs was "too artistic". I said they were TRYING TO BE TOO ARTISTIC. I talked with Jay Burken and he agreed with me that they're trying to do too much. I just personally don't like their show this year. Loved last years' show, disliked this years because of the things they do. I was buying into it majorly with the closer and I thought, "wow this is the incredible Powerhouse that I love", and then completely killed it with that goofy ending. Their vocals in the day (didn't get to see them, Clinton, CG, or EEE at night because I had to work) were def not as good as CG or Clinton and they were also more sloppy than Clinton for sure, maybe CG. I'm also not a huge fan of the costuming this year. I just wish they would have picked a different theme overall.
And keep in mind that this is JUST AN OPINION from an OBSERVER.
As another OBSERVER with an OPINION, I agree with Taylor and Jay. I thought there was definitely an argument to be made for Powerhouse '09 to be better than Attache '09. I definitely think Attache '10 is better than Powerhouse '10. Clinton deserved their Vocals caption (although CG gave them a run for it), and no one touched Clinton's level of choreography. A clear victory for Clinton.
I never said Burroughs was "too artistic". I said they were TRYING TO BE TOO ARTISTIC. I talked with Jay Burken and he agreed with me that they're trying to do too much. I just personally don't like their show this year. Loved last years' show, disliked this years because of the things they do. I was buying into it majorly with the closer and I thought, "wow this is the incredible Powerhouse that I love", and then completely killed it with that goofy ending. Their vocals in the day (didn't get to see them, Clinton, CG, or EEE at night because I had to work) were def not as good as CG or Clinton and they were also more sloppy than Clinton for sure, maybe CG. I'm also not a huge fan of the costuming this year. I just wish they would have picked a different theme overall.
And keep in mind that this is JUST AN OPINION from an OBSERVER.
I'm not gushing, but the peeps next door are being really loud and I drank a cup o' coffee.
Thanks to Rian, Claire, Haakon, Scott, Adam, Cam, and Nick for being visibly available during the contest. As someone with no previous experience with many of these groups, it was nice to have a road map (Claire).
I want to congratulate Clinton on a very solid finals show. I think that your show tonight/last night was one of, if not THE best show I've seen from y'all.
I'm gonna skip Powerhouse for now, just cause I have a lot of stuff to say about you guys...Good stuff for sure!
Center Grove: Your vocals were my favorite of the day. You have a glorious tone and are the best Andy group I have seen for a LONG time.
Eisenhower: I really enjoyed Black Velvet. The arrangement was killer and your choreography was really well thought out. Your ballad was fantastic as well. Very glad y'all made the five hour drive.
Marysville: Disappointed during the day, but WOW'ed by your finals show. Your vocals were beautiful during your finals performance. I really enjoyed your overall show design and was pleased with your vitality onstage.
Lawrence Central: I've been hearing for YEARS about how good your group sings. Y'all sing very well. I was talking with Adam after your finals performance and he was talking about how difficult your arranger arranges music, and you sang it effortlessly. I hope you guys aren't terribly disappointed by your placing (it's okay to be a little) because this finals class was hot!
I've got more, but I can't remember and don't really want to share. Thanks to everyone who participated at the Crystal Classic. I won't forget this contest for a long time.
Glad to be your "road map". Somehow I lost you as we were leaving the arena, though. Though really, I'm glad I could have someone to talk to shows about all day!
The bottom line is...it's just show choir. I guess it is easier for me to say this because I have been an alumni for a few years. But, while it is a wonderful feeling to receive a grand champion award, at the end of the day the simple goal is to entertain. If every group gave their heart and soul to their performance, and left the audience in applause and entertainment, then they did their job. I know I was extremely impressed with all of the groups - so much hard work goes into every show. I had my personal favorites and opinions, but it's not worth crying out over. And of course there are going to be a few people upset with the results, but at the end of the day life goes on.
I'll wait to post more of my thoughts of the groups at a later time.
You know, I thought Lawrence Central would have placed higher; I really enjoyed their show. But the Top 3 was about what I thought...anyway CONGRATS to ALL OF YOU! I loved your shows!!
agreed but when one judge constantly murders you thats what happens
If my Firefox would work, I'd just combine this with my last post, but since its not, I'll say it here. I already sent you a message LoL. I'm fine with just letting it go and enjoying our great art. Sound good?
it's a dead issue to me. I do agree with you on one thing, I wanna see how the points turned out!! Lol
If you would like to discuss this any further I'd be happy to do so through private messaging. Let's try to keep this thread about the fantastic job all of the groups did and the excellent job Fairfield did hosting!
If my Firefox would work, I'd just combine this with my last post, but since its not, I'll say it here. I already sent you a message LoL. I'm fine with just letting it go and enjoying our great art. Sound good?
Has anyone heard anything about points? It had to be pretty close all acorss the board. Did anyone sit behind Eric Van Cleave in the bleachers? It was really entertaining watching him when he gets excited about something. He'd stand up and clap or he'd swing his arms. Haha it was good.
Thanks I appreciate and accept your apology. Show choir is so subjective that we all see a show and have a 1000 totally different opinions. That's not a bad thing it's art! I respect your opinion as you are entitled I just have a different one.
If you would like to discuss this any further I'd be happy to do so through private messaging. Let's try to keep this thread about the fantastic job all of the groups did and the excellent job Fairfield did hosting!
I want them to go against Burbank at SCN because they're 2 of the top 3 Choirs in the nation IMO and what would be more fun then adding them to the mix of an already fierce lineup. I'm pretty sure almost everyone on this board would love for Clinton to be competing there, That'd be fun to watch! You really should stop looking so far into things and creating drama where there isn't any. If you bothered to read other posts you'd see that I congratulated Clinton and also said they were the better choir today and deserved to win.
Ok, you're right. I went back and read and I took it out of context and drew conclusions. Fine. I apologize, but I hardly think that I was causing drama. I was simply asking a question.
Just out of curiosity, where is the negativity? In my whole review, I didn't say anything negative, other than some personal criticism. In fact, I was very encouraging to just about everyone, including Powerhouse.
And I stand by my statement about all the comments about us in the Midwest not understanding. It's not negativity. It's fact.
I posted this earlier today, before this particular competition had started... it applies to this competition and many others that occurred today. It even applies to me and my group, who received 1st Runner Up and Best Vocals at Ft. Madison... just like John Burroughs at Fairfield AND Omaha Westside at Lewis Central-
"Let us all remember in this moment that all of the show choirs that compete here today work extremely hard to put on their respective shows. Each should be applauded tremendously for what they do. That being said, there are some great show choirs going home tonight earlier than others... and five that will advance, yet won't win. A lot of people may not even agree with the winner since its such a tight line up that draws the line of where personal preferences are drawn. But, Whoever DOES win, kudos to them. If anyone is to criticize the outcome and or critique show choirs afterwards- do it in a constructive and positive way that is not to take away from the Grand Championship choir... or any choir's placement for that matter. Saying "I felt that Choir A had stronger vocals than Choir B, so I thought they'd place higher" sounds a lot different than "OH MY GAWD. CHOIR B SUCKED! I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PLACED HIGHER THAN CHOIR A!!! WTF WERE THE JUDGES THINKING!"
Good luck to all of the wonderful show choirs today."
I was just thinking that a lot of posts on this thread are all about how "we just don't understand" and how Powerhouse should have won, etc etc. You know, it IS possible that a group was better than Powerhouse on a given day. Just saying guys. No need to get defensive. And wishing Clinton would go against Burbank at SCN to get beat by them? Why? Why would you even say this? Do you have a vendetta against Clinton for some reason?
Lol talk about completely adding on and making things up that I never said. Nobody has a vendetta against Clinton! After meeting those kids and Mr. Fehr last year at Los Al it would be impossible! They're some of the Nicest people I've ever meet in the show choir world, True professionals.
Please stop being so negative and getting so defensive and let's focus on what a great day of show choir we just had and what an amazing job all the groups did today!
I want them to go against Burbank at SCN because they're 2 of the top 3 Choirs in the nation IMO and what would be more fun then adding them to the mix of an already fierce lineup. I'm pretty sure almost everyone on this board would love for Clinton to be competing there, That'd be fun to watch! You really should stop looking so far into things and creating drama where there isn't any. If you bothered to read other posts you'd see that I congratulated Clinton and also said they were the better choir today and deserved to win.
Fairfield Crystal Classic 2010
I'm a current performer, and sure- it's nice to win, but when you're walking around after a fierce performance and you hear people singing your songs, or talking about aspects of your show they liked... that's worth more than any trophy. 
