QUOTE(sdcharles_2 @ Mar 30 2008, 05:32 PM) [snapback]431146[/snapback]
i think its around 500 per performer "entrace fee"
So like north Central... the entrance fee for them would have been 25,000 for the 50 singer dancers, and another 500 each per Band/crew? thats like 35,000..... And there's a possibility that they got a bit screwed, After paying 35k to enter the contest... How silly is that. I hope this isn't the case...
Oh btw, youtube told me as well that the last 2 NC vids aren't available
QUOTE(sdcharles_2 @ Mar 30 2008, 05:32 PM) [snapback]431146[/snapback]
i think its around 500 per performer "entrace fee"
It really depends on the specific competition. The have to adjust the price accordinly to how much the venues cost to use, but the option only to compete usually costs around $250, while the "packages" range from $300-600 depeding on the location, hotel, etc.
QUOTE(johnsaloser @ Mar 30 2008, 07:31 PM) [snapback]431144[/snapback]
Unless something has changed, they typically charge on a per-person basis. You can get a package which includes various activities/meals and lodging (with optional lengths of stay), or you can just pay to compete.
i think its around 500 per performer "entrace fee"
QUOTE(Wocttocs @ Mar 30 2008, 05:12 PM) [snapback]431134[/snapback]
Didn't someone mention before that the Entry cost for a choir is around 10,000 dollars? hmm...
Unless something has changed, they typically charge on a per-person basis. You can get a package which includes various activities/meals and lodging (with optional lengths of stay), or you can just pay to compete.
what an amazing line up! this was by far the best sequence i have ever seen in one place. i was just overwhelmed with the level and quality of all the choirs. congrats to all! you were amazing! am i pleased to have seen all of these top level groups live this year. you have definitely made my last competition viewing of this season one to remember. WOW!
PS its unfortunate that we have occurrences that could potentially upset some people/groups though.
QUOTE(johnsaloser @ Mar 30 2008, 07:22 PM) [snapback]431136[/snapback]
From what I was told, Clinton and North Central tied in finals after using rankings, and in order to break the tie, they went by the raw scores. I may be wrong.
QUOTE(Shoegazer29 @ Mar 30 2008, 04:55 PM) [snapback]431127[/snapback]
It has been brought to my attention that there was a discrepancy between the manner of scoring agreed upon before finals and the scoring method that was used to determine placements after final performances were completed. This discrepancy effected the placements of two high-ranking choirs: Clinton and North Central.
Before finals competition began, the method of scoring to be used was the conversion of raw scores from a scoresheet to rankings. Once finals competition was over and awards were to be announced, it was decided that the method of scoring was to be only the raw scores. Rankings based on point values were not used, and because of that Clinton overtook North Central to receive first runner-up.
As Jorge already posted on a previous page in this topic, North Central was given two first place rankings while Clinton was given one. A complete overview of rankings is not available to me at this time, but perhaps further perspective will be gained with future postings. Even without a listing of all the rankings or point values, one has to wonder why it was internally decided by FAME Events that it was appropriate to change the manner of scoring. What is there to gain by swapping the placements of two groups? In the end, I feel it's important to note that the FAME competitions are not fundraisers, like the competitions put on by high schools with a host show choir, but events designed to make profit. Perhaps by securing a higher placement for a long-standing participant choir, FAME Events is guaranteed income into the future.
I will note that I am speculating on that point. I have not spoken with a person responsible for switching the scoring method, and so do not know the motivations behind that decision, but I ask what other reasons are there to alter the results of this show choir competition. I look forward to hopefully becoming more enlightened as to the reasoning behind this change.
From what I was told, Clinton and North Central tied in finals after using rankings, and in order to break the tie, they went by the raw scores. I may be wrong.
This is Counterpoints set.... It is our finals performance... Just finished uploading... very soon I will be working on our state performance (as soon as I find the DVD) as I think it might have better audio quality...
Congrats to everyone, you were all amazing... it was really something special to share the same stage with so many quality groups.
THANKS A TON!!! ...but the ballad and the last two numbers won't play. YouTube says that they are unavailable.
QUOTE(Shoegazer29 @ Mar 30 2008, 04:55 PM) [snapback]431127[/snapback]
It has been brought to my attention that there was a discrepancy between the manner of scoring agreed upon before finals and the scoring method that was used to determine placements after final performances were completed. This discrepancy effected the placements of two high-ranking choirs: Clinton and North Central.
Before finals competition began, the method of scoring to be used was the conversion of raw scores from a scoresheet to rankings. Once finals competition was over and awards were to be announced, it was decided that the method of scoring was to be only the raw scores. Rankings based on point values were not used, and because of that Clinton overtook North Central to receive first runner-up.
As Jorge already posted on a previous page in this topic, North Central was given two first place rankings while Clinton was given one. A complete overview of rankings is not available to me at this time, but perhaps further perspective will be gained with future postings. Even without a listing of all the rankings or point values, one has to wonder why it was internally decided by FAME Events that it was appropriate to change the manner of scoring. What is there to gain by swapping the placements of two groups? In the end, I feel it's important to note that the FAME competitions are not fundraisers, like the competitions put on by high schools with a host show choir, but events designed to make profit. Perhaps by securing a higher placement for a long-standing participant choir, FAME Events is guaranteed income into the future.
I will note that I am speculating on that point. I have not spoken with a person responsible for switching the scoring method, and so do not know the motivations behind that decision, but I ask what other reasons are there to alter the results of this show choir competition. I look forward to hopefully becoming more enlightened as to the reasoning behind this change.
WHOA! thats just nuts! If that is true i have a feeling fame might have just ruined their chances of keeping top level choirs. And like you said, they are there to make a profit so i don't think it's too far fetched that they would find a loop hole if they thought they might lose their number 1 participating choir... Didn't someone mention before that the Entry cost for a choir is around 10,000 dollars? hmm...
QUOTE(Shoegazer29 @ Mar 30 2008, 02:55 PM) [snapback]431127[/snapback]
It has been brought to my attention that there was a discrepancy between the manner of scoring agreed upon before finals and the scoring method that was used to determine placements after final performances were completed. This discrepancy effected the placements of two high-ranking choirs: Clinton and North Central.
Before finals competition began, the method of scoring to be used was the conversion of raw scores from a scoresheet to rankings. Once finals competition was over and awards were to be announced, it was decided that the method of scoring was to be only the raw scores. Rankings based on point values were not used, and because of that Clinton overtook North Central to receive first runner-up.
As Jorge already posted on a previous page in this topic, North Central was given two first place rankings while Clinton was given one. A complete overview of rankings is not available to me at this time, but perhaps further perspective will be gained with future postings. Even without a listing of all the rankings or point values, one has to wonder why it was internally decided by FAME Events that it was appropriate to change the manner of scoring. What is there to gain by swapping the placements of two groups? In the end, I feel it's important to note that the FAME competitions are not fundraisers, like the competitions put on by high schools with a host show choir, but events designed to make profit. Perhaps by securing a higher placement for a long-standing participant choir, FAME Events is guaranteed income into the future.
I will note that I am speculating on that point. I have not spoken with a person responsible for switching the scoring method, and so do not know the motivations behind that decision, but I ask what other reasons are there to alter the results of this show choir competition. I look forward to hopefully becoming more enlightened as to the reasoning behind this change.
That's some crazy ****, huh? lol. I heard this too (from a pretty reliable source), and when I did ... my jaw just about dropped. If this is true, and the rules really did state a rankings system to be used, then I feel terrible for North Central. It is really incredibly unfair to them, and I can't believe this has happened. And by the way, North Central was my personal favorite of the day. They performed with such passion in finals. It was really incredible to watch. Their ballad is absolutely stunning. Go NC! Congrats on 3rd/2nd ... really not sure which is the right placement for you guys at this point.
This is Counterpoints set.... It is our finals performance... Just finished uploading... very soon I will be working on our state performance (as soon as I find the DVD) as I think it might have better audio quality...
Congrats to everyone, you were all amazing... it was really something special to share the same stage with so many quality groups.
It has been brought to my attention that there was a discrepancy between the manner of scoring agreed upon before finals and the scoring method that was used to determine placements after final performances were completed. This discrepancy effected the placements of two high-ranking choirs: Clinton and North Central.
Before finals competition began, the method of scoring to be used was the conversion of raw scores from a scoresheet to rankings. Once finals competition was over and awards were to be announced, it was decided that the method of scoring was to be only the raw scores. Rankings based on point values were not used, and because of that Clinton overtook North Central to receive first runner-up.
As Jorge already posted on a previous page in this topic, North Central was given two first place rankings while Clinton was given one. A complete overview of rankings is not available to me at this time, but perhaps further perspective will be gained with future postings. Even without a listing of all the rankings or point values, one has to wonder why it was internally decided by FAME Events that it was appropriate to change the manner of scoring. What is there to gain by swapping the placements of two groups? In the end, I feel it's important to note that the FAME competitions are not fundraisers, like the competitions put on by high schools with a host show choir, but events designed to make profit. Perhaps by securing a higher placement for a long-standing participant choir, FAME Events is guaranteed income into the future.
I will note that I am speculating on that point. I have not spoken with a person responsible for switching the scoring method, and so do not know the motivations behind that decision, but I ask what other reasons are there to alter the results of this show choir competition. I look forward to hopefully becoming more enlightened as to the reasoning behind this change.
while i am impartial to waubonsie because that's the show choir that I belonged to I thought that JB had an outstanding show. I didnt know what I thought about it at first but after seeing it again I really liked it. I loved how it wasn't the typical show choir show and it was a new breath of fresh air. I did think that another group should have gotten best coreography only because JB had an entire number that focused on two dancers not that they werent impresive but I though that the could have included everyone else more in the number. I was an awesome competition and everyone really stepped it up in finals and I'm sure the judges had a really hard time making their final desisions.
This was the most intense night of show choir I have ever witnessed. I remembered seeing the day round shows and thinking that the finals groups definitely had their work cut out for them. The Clinton performance at night was outstanding, easily the best Clinton show I'd seen for a few long years. North Central was just...great. The soloists, the show, the vocals were all just great. Burroughs' Powerhouse finals show was the most intriguing, heartfelt show I've ever witnessed. I haad no doubt in my mind that they were going to win after that show.
I felt that the inability to start on time was the only negative aspect of this competition. The theater was gorgeous, the sound, when turned down, was fantastic. I loved the lighting in finals, like I always do during Fame Finals.
This was easily the best contest i've ever been to before, and I would have given anything to have been able to compete with this lin-up while I was in high school!
omg what an amazing competition! i didn't get to see burroughs or clinton live because of scheduling, which was a major bummer, but i heard they were both so amazing! and burroughs costumes were freaking awesome--the tutu style dress the school representative was wearing up on stage for finals awards was so pretty! i can't wait to watch the finals dvd!
congrats to everyone who made finals, i hope you all had as much fun as the counterpoints did. we had the best performance of our whole season last night, and i couldn't think of a more positive or awesome way to kick of my spring break! congrats again!! :]
ps; WAUBONSIE VALLEY, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME! i'm probably your biggest fan ever now... that number with the viking hats was the best thing i've ever seen!!
FAME Chicago 2008
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