Wow! you're simply amazing. You placed the groups according to how you think they should have come in. I must have missed the fact that you do not have a degree in anything musically related from a university, or a degree in anything from a university for that matter, unlike the judges at St. Clairsville. Yet you continue to throw in your opinion without support other than what you think, granted you may be in show choir but that does not make you an expert. We have continued to do well throughout the season and have received high scores from numerous judges, not just from the judges at St. Clairsville. If you're going to express your opinion next time think about it, and then don't do it because your just ranting about how you feel and since you are not an educated judge it doesn't really matter what you think.
-Aaron from Edgewood Choraliers
I know you are trying to defend the judges, but take it easy - just because a fellow high schooler voiced their opinion and it wasn't in sync with yours, and/or is questioning the results is no reason to lash out. If you really don't think their opinion matters, then you have no reason to be upset with them.
I have high class. I'm not saying anyone sucks. I think every group has something better about them than the other. I'm not bashing St.Clairsville (the group) at all, especially their hard work! I just hope that some groups in the finals understand that the judging was crazy because Beavercreek and colerain should of made finals. You can't argue with me about that. I was just very upset that the judging was pathetic and do not give great show choirs what they deserve. I'm sorry If I offended you but you must understand that Beavercreek and colerain deserved it. What did they do wrong? There was no excuse for this happening. Just poor judging. It caused a big upset. Now i don't have my program with me but who were the judges again? Why hasn't anyone answered this question? please give the names. I just feel like these judges came out of nowhere and decided to judge a compitition. It's sad for the groups who should of deserved better . . That's all I'm saying
Okay. Colerain and Beavercreek deserved to be in finals. Well, I deserve a new car... but I won't get one.
The act of deserving placement doesn't merit getting placed. It's the performance of a group that merits where they are placed. The finals placements were crazy, because some groups stepped up and performed because they wanted to win, not because they deserved to win. The world owes no one, remember that kids.
Some years are better than others in any activity - and this was not an easy year for ESPRIT...but I really hope everyone can band together and keep this tradition alive at Southwestern! I am proud of every one of ESPRIT's members this year and hope everyone will give it another year to get back on top! Good luck and lots of love to our graduating seniors - Brittany, Amanda, Richey, and David! Eric - son, I am still your biggest fan! Congratulations on your Outstanding Soloist awards!!!
Thanks
And yes, don't give up, Esprit! so it was a building year... those who know what it feels like, dont forget that feeling of victory!!! a lot of you will be graduating next year.. make it memorable! GOOD LUCK!!! im so sad im leaving
Congrats to all the choirs at the Showcase Saturday you all did wonderful!
Edgewood I loved you all ! You are a great group and you made my day ! Congrats on you'r placing you deserved it for sure and I'm so proud of you all !
Thank you. Im really happy that at least one person liked our show and thought we did well and deserved our placing.
no, this is the guy that had you guys in front by like 20 points over teays valley. not saying that you didnt deserve that, but by 20 points? most judges had that gap A LOT closer. then the rest of his scores were completely off. i think that he had us in 9th place.
yeah... he didnt like us either. he lost us a lot of points
Congrats to all the choirs at the Showcase Saturday you all did wonderful!
Edgewood I loved you all ! You are a great group and you made my day ! Congrats on you'r placing you deserved it for sure and I'm so proud of you all !
Sorry that I come off to be rude. But i just didn't understand this compitition at all. Congrats teays. Really. You guys did deserve to win because you had a rough season. I won't argue anymore. congrats to the groups who made finals. the thing I just don't get is that take beavercreek and wapakenta for example, they have been to a bunch of comps. together and beavercreek has beaten them by alot. But I guess maybe Wapak stepped it up. I was just upset that's all. well congrats to everyone. =)
Linda Cowan- Doctor of musical arts from rutgers. teaches private and class voice, diction, and musical theatre/ opera workshop classes. Hurricane's Director.
If you are referring to the Hurricane that's from West Virginia, that's wrong. Linda Cowan isn't their director. That would be Kim Edwards.
I have high class. I'm not saying anyone sucks. I think every group has something better about them than the other. I'm not bashing St.Clairsville (the group) at all, especially their hard work! I just hope that some groups in the finals understand that the judging was crazy because Beavercreek and colerain should of made finals. You can't argue with me about that. I was just very upset that the judging was pathetic and do not give great show choirs what they deserve. I'm sorry If I offended you but you must understand that Beavercreek and colerain deserved it. What did they do wrong? There was no excuse for this happening. Just poor judging. It caused a big upset. Now i don't have my program with me but who were the judges again? Why hasn't anyone answered this question? please give the names. I just feel like these judges came out of nowhere and decided to judge a compitition. It's sad for the groups who should of deserved better . . That's all I'm saying
I do absolutely agree that Colerain (for sure) and Beavercreek should have been in finals. I understand your problem with the judging and the daytime results. I do not understand, however, your first post and your comment about how the choirs in finals need to know that the judging was crazy. Some of them probably didn't expect to make finals after such shaky seasons, but good for them! Let them be happy about it! None of the choirs in finals were poor choirs, and I can guarantee you each choir has worked so hard this season. I enjoyed every show in finals, and I stand by my statement that Teays deserved the win no matter who was in finals. I think you have a very valid argument about Beavercreek and Colerain, but your opinion is always stated in such a rude way.
I've been to many competitions in past years where I thought some choirs "deserved better". But, when humans are judging, anything can happen, and most choirs understand that. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.
I don't get it then... why are they "whacked out judges"? They all graduated from a music college. They are all professionals in their field. From the looks of it the Jeremy Reicher guy is a musical theatre specialist. If memory serves correct West Liberty in WV, had a show choir competition back in the 90s. I'm pretty sure the music director is still there. I'm not coming off as a jerk, but I was curious since I wasn't there on Saturday.
found a program. it doesnt say who judged wut, but here are the judges:
Jana Kurth- graduate of St. C. completed undergraduate work atHeidelberg for music education with a vocal emphasis. said she was a soloist and was awarded 2ru in the 1999 OVAC Queen of Queen's competition. i think she was a soloist judge based on that.
Dan Palimetakis- studies with Linda Cowan at West liberty state college. involved in musical theatre. says he graduated from west liberty state, but doesnt say for wut. operates a private vocal studio.
Michelle Muretisch- graduated in 01' with degree in music education from Grove City College (PA). says she is a soloist judge. working on masters for teaching and cirriculum at Penn State.
Linda Cowan- Doctor of musical arts from rutgers. teaches private and class voice, diction, and musical theatre/ opera workshop classes. Hurricane's Director.
Erin Kishpaugh- member of the national association of teachers of singers; teaching voice for over 10 years
and the guy that made everything go wacky: Jeremy Richter. for more on Jeremy, go to his website at jeremyrichter.com
there were 3 judges in the daytime (i think) and they added another in the finals round. these judges judges everything (vocals, choreo., combo, and general effect). the other two i think did soloists alone (or that is wut i think the MC's said before some of the descriptions. i didnt get to hear all of them)
Perhaps you should read over what you type before you post it..
You say you are not trying to be rude, but then you go on to say this was not a real competition. Your thoughts probably could not have been expressed in a ruder way. While the results were shocking, it is ridiculous and childish to come on here and bash the competition, and essentially all choirs who placed. Please show some class.
I have high class. I'm not saying anyone sucks. I think every group has something better about them than the other. I'm not bashing St.Clairsville (the group) at all, especially their hard work! I just hope that some groups in the finals understand that the judging was crazy because Beavercreek and colerain should of made finals. You can't argue with me about that. I was just very upset that the judging was pathetic and do not give great show choirs what they deserve. I'm sorry If I offended you but you must understand that Beavercreek and colerain deserved it. What did they do wrong? There was no excuse for this happening. Just poor judging. It caused a big upset. Now i don't have my program with me but who were the judges again? Why hasn't anyone answered this question? please give the names. I just feel like these judges came out of nowhere and decided to judge a compitition. It's sad for the groups who should of deserved better . . That's all I'm saying
QUOTE(NxtJordan3309 @ Mar 19 2007, 03:32 PM) 395535
Even though there was trash talking between everyone. I feel that Garfield Heights and us (Edgewood) got along much better at this competition. Also, I apologize for anything nasty or bad that Edgewood said about another school. Those type of things shouldn't be said period no excuses.
i say the same. i saw and heard no problems between our two schools. we seemed to form a kind of bond between us, rooting for each other later on in the year, talking in the hallways and after awards and everything. i hav no beefs with edgewood and after the last few comps., i dont think anyone else here does either. now about other groups, thats another thing... lol jk
That’s how I think it should have gone but come on I’m not a judge right!
But then again at St. C anyone can be a judge right.
Wow! you're simply amazing. You placed the groups according to how you think they should have come in. I must have missed the fact that you do not have a degree in anything musically related from a university, or a degree in anything from a university for that matter, unlike the judges at St. Clairsville. Yet you continue to throw in your opinion without support other than what you think, granted you may be in show choir but that does not make you an expert. We have continued to do well throughout the season and have received high scores from numerous judges, not just from the judges at St. Clairsville. If you're going to express your opinion next time think about it, and then don't do it because your just ranting about how you feel and since you are not an educated judge it doesn't really matter what you think.
Even though there was trash talking between everyone. I feel that Garfield Heights and us (Edgewood) got along much better at this competition. Also, I apologize for anything nasty or bad that Edgewood said about another school. Those type of things shouldn't be said period no excuses.
I agree…..it IS always sad to see groups bashing each other, but it happens in these forums as our cherubs vent the frustrations of a long day that might not have gone their way. What I feel is even worse about though…. Was the really sad demonstration of Edgewoods overall sportsmanship at St. C’s! As for SOME of the Garfild Hts. responses…all of our groups involved at these comps know just how competitive Edgewood/Garfield were through the entire season but as a spectator overhearing students smack talking out loud in the halls (Edgewood) was REALLY sad. Now SOME of the groups who actually DID earn the right to be there and weren’t….. due to the lack of professional adjudicators, you know who you are…PLEASE don’t let the continual rantings and ravings of a school like Edgewood shatter YOUR professionalism…BRAVO for your outstanding performances. Humility is a huge part of a groups core and SOME choirs need to practice THAT for their season next year.
Ahem... yes we talk smack. Every group talks smack. Talking smack and it getting back to another group will lead to more talking smack. You MAY have heard Edgewood talk smack about Garfield... well, that's great, but EVERY SINGLE CHOIR has negative feelings towards groups because of the COMPETITIVE nature of show choir. Edgewood's big rival last year was Southwestern. This year it was Garfield. Big deal! School rivalry happens. Yes we do it for fun! We love to sing and dance. BUT if anyone ever said they didn't enjoying winning you would be liars. Bottom line, it's show choir drama and it's part of the whole package. It's what makes everything so great and juicy to talk about.
im not saying this becuase you might think im bitter with edgewood beating garfield, but if you look at the scores from the daytime (and i mean every groups score, judge by judge and overall) you definately would say that this competition was a HUGE joke. it is almost impossible to have BC not in finals or Colerain, and southwestern definately shouldnt have been that far down in the rankings. and i kno that other directors from other schools (including some of those from groups that made it to finals) said that the scoring for this was ridiculous. and looking at the judges sheets, there were no comments on any sheet submitted and no comments on the tapes either, so if they were to take off points, they should atleast have told us why they did.
i went back and reread wut i posted to try and fix some things, and when i posted this, wut i was trying to get across was that the JUDGING was a huge joke. i loved everything else, the food, our hosts and the rest of St. C., everything. we havent come across a panel that didnt leave comments or say anythng on tapes about why they took off points, thats all. so sorry if any St. C. people took this the wrong way, i was jus frustrated by the judges like so many other people were.
First of all I think that some of the people on here should be ashamed of the way they handled themselves. I feel that Edgewood had some of the nicest people in it. They were very kind and full of enthusiasm. Also to say that this competition is a joke is absolutely ridiculous because there were a lot of people there working hard to make it a great day for all the choirs. I think that all though the judging was a bit off, most of the choirs, especially Teays Valley and Edgewood, deserved to be there. I think that those of you who have bashed this competition are just being spiteful and shuold get a life. You win some, you lose some, that's how it goes.
All I know about this competition comes from what I've read on this forum, and I've got to say I agree with whoever stated that if you don't like the way judges do their job, then just don't compete.
Anyway, show choir is a very subjective activity - everyone has their own style and likes different things - even kids that are in the same choir have different opinions!
That being said, isn't that what society wants everyone to have - different opinions and to be different from other people? If all show choirs were the same or, better yet, if everyone thought that the same choir(s) should win all the time, it would be the most boring thing in the world and no one would like it half as much as they do. Diversity is what makes show choir the thing we all have come to love.
And like someone else said, everyone feels like they've gotten screwed over at least once, and we all hate it. But is that really what show choir should be all about? I thought this was something kids did because they loved to sing and/or dance - not because they wanted to beat a certain other show choir, or to bring home another trophy. I'll admit it, those things make it exciting - when you beat a rival school or bring home a GC - but that shouldn't be the ultimate thing.
Ok, this is too long of a post for an alum, but seriously, as cheesy as it sounds, just have fun! :-D
(I also really want to congratulate all the PR kids on their GC - I know it's been a tough year, and your hard work definitely warranted getting a GC! You guys make this alumnae proud!)
QUOTE(show choirJoe @ Mar 18 2007, 10:53 PM) 395403
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lol, yea, there is no personality in some judges. we actually almost didnt make it to finals. East finished 1 point behind us, so we got really lucky there. i dont remember which judge did this, but they had east in 3rd place behind you and teays. anyway, wuts done is done i guess. i really just want to post the scores by judge to show everyone wut really went down and why we are arguing so much, but i dont hav the sheets. and i want to post the bio of that one guy that screwed up some of the scores, but i dont hav that either. o well.
St. Clairsville Showcase of Sound 2007
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