Just a small procedural question here: for the predictions, are we predicting the four mixed finalists followed by the top two women’s groups? Similar to how a comp with no finals is Tier I followed by Tier II.
As for the "Predictions" feature up above, it will only register the mixed finals. So if you're trying to "win" the Predictions, you will want to predict your top 4 mixed groups with BV/BC... and then I think you'll have the slight safety net of adding a 5th/6th place mixed group. I'm not entirely sure, that safety net may give you leeway to count toward the "Correct Groups" category, but obviously not toward the "Correct Placements" category. Either way, you're prioritizing predicting the 1st-4th placements with correctly assigned captions for maximum points. The final Predictions Awards page that shows results, for Wheaton, will just have ?/4 Correct Groups, ?/4 Correct Placements, and ?/2 Correct Captions.
From what I can tell, the Predictions feature does cascade from a "Finals" division with less than 6 groups to a "Finals Tier II" division, but does not cascade from "Finals" to "Treble Finals". That's just based on what I could see from comps that have multiple finals divisions like that with Winfield's Emerald Classic and Pike's MusicFest. For comps without finals, it does cascade from Mixed Tier I to Mixed Tier II. I'm not sure how extensive the coding is or if everything I said is spot on, but that seems to be how Predictions are working on the other event pages. Häakon can pull back the curtain and clarify/explain more.
Almost wonder if they should put treble on Friday…. Jeez what a ridiculous line up. 25 min time slots for each group means, basically, 5 min set-up/tear down time correct?
It's an ambitious schedule to say the least. I think just as compelling as predictions for finals might be predictions for when awards are actually handed out.
Five minutes total for both (really 2.5 minute setup if you’re doing a 20 minute show). In all likeliness, Los Al has a back truss plus light towers to set up, Mt. Zion changes the riser formation, Center Grove and Mitchell both stack on top of existing risers. Unless those choirs do 15 minute shows, there’s virtually no way all of that happens in twenty-five minutes. I’ll place my prediction for finals awards start time at 1:15AM.
I’d imagine they do in prelims, but not finals. In 2016, Burroughs didn’t use their set on stage in prelims, and then setup the lights, holograms, back truss, etc. for finals. You can still watch the livestream from that year. Watching them set up was cool just seeing how much goes into a production of that scale.
Oh that's really interesting! I didn't know there would be different criteria for prelims vs. finals. But let's hope that is the case this year! And I guess the moral of the story if you are going to be there is to grab some caffeine and stay for finals!
In 2016 and 2019 when we took the NNHS groups there, they did time in prelims AND assess penalties. Not sure if that's still the case, but it was back then. I distinctly remember because in 2016 we were 10 seconds away from a penalty
That was Hotel California. All of the extra stuff really added to their show, but the lights were calibrated for the taller risers, which was evident when the spot on Faydean in the closer missed her by a few feet. Both Burbank and Burroughs used the standard risers when they came here.
I agree. They need to figure out some kind of alternative. Not to mention that they will need room in the auditorium for everyone AND enough food for the inevitably large amount of people that will be there.
Both years we were there it got to a place in the afternoon where they weren't admitting students from the participating choirs in the gym to watch and only allowing people with the paid wristbands in. There's no way that doesn't happen again this year. The gym is not big enough for the crowds they draw with their incredible lineups!
Most competitions allow at least 30 minutes for groups. Due to your average show getting increasingly complicated and lengthy (Los Al, Linn-Mar, Waukee NW), requiring longer set-ups and tear-downs, anything below 30 minutes is below average by most standards.
I think it’s less a matter of “can they do it” and more a matter of “should they have to”. It’s the natural consequence to having 25 groups and finals within a single day. I’m not at all doubting WWS ability to manage the schedule but I think there will be a significant amount of question about timing and if there is a day I’d bet on a time penalty, it would be this comp.
Most competitions allow at least 30 minutes for groups. Due to your average show getting increasingly complicated and lengthy (Los Al, Linn-Mar, Waukee NW), requiring longer set-ups and tear-downs, anything below 30 minutes is below average by most standards.
From my experience on Crew and going through a lot of lineups nationally, this is patently untrue. There are just as many competitions with elite groups giving them 25 minutes to perform as there are competitions giving groups 30.
I have personally seen Linn-Mar and Waukee NW both perform on 25 minute time slots without making a competition go behind. Others in the area aren't known for their timeliness, but I don't hear complaints about those two.
How many shows are actually 20 minutes nowadays? That's pretty long. Most groups would have more than 5 minutes to set up and tear down.
Of the competing groups, Los Al is probably the only one that will be at or near 20. Last year they were at about 19 minutes. Some of them had 15 minute shows (both Indiana groups).
Groups who aren’t here with 20 minute shows that I know of - Homewood, Petal, Auburn, and Oak Mountain. Burroughs last year was 23 minutes.
Generally speaking, how severe are time penalties and how do they occur? Obviously I’m sure it’s whether or not they stay within their time slot, but is it like applied the minute they go over?
Burroughs would of gone undefeated last year but time penalties hurt them in the end
Not entirely correct. While Burroughs did suffer time penalties at both Hart and Oceanside that caused them to finish 2nd and 3rd, respectively, they also finished 2nd at Burbank with no time penalty.
Generally speaking, how severe are time penalties and how do they occur? Obviously I’m sure it’s whether or not they stay within their time slot, but is it like applied the minute they go over?
I did a comprehensive breakdown of the way it worked at Oceanside last year in those event comments if you want to read through it, just because there was so much misinformation floating around. Generally, yes, time penalties start right away (otherwise there isn't much point to having a time penalty).
Shows should follow the set-up time. It is crazy to wait on these groups that take too long.
The singing and dancing should be what is judged, not the set. Maybe groups with elaborate sets should compete in a different division??? Just a thought.
They should definitely follow the specified set-up time. The problem is that there is no standardization in show choir, so if the total allotted time is 35 minutes at one competition and 25 minutes in another, that's the difference between plenty of setup time or barely any at all. It's not "waiting on a group" if it's within the schedule.
As to Jay's question of "Why CAN'T groups set up, perform, and tear down in 25 minutes?", that obviously depends entirely on the length of the show. If your show is 10 minutes, you can probably set up, tear down, and eat lunch in 25 minutes. If your show is 20 minutes, things get more difficult. What is the average/desired/expected length of a show? Again, there's no standardization and it varies from region to region. You may have YOUR preference, but that doesn't change what exists.
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